EP # 13 - Pension to Portfolio: Strategies for Drawing Income in Retirement

In this episode, Joe and Regan navigate through the various income streams available in retirement, including pension plans, government benefits like CPP and OAS, investment portfolios, annuities, and even rental income.

They emphasize the importance of intentional decision-making, stressing the need for individuals to assess their expenses, maintain emergency funds, optimize taxes, and consider their net worth goals to ensure financial stability throughout retirement.

What You’ll Learn in Today’s Episode

Diversified Income Sources: In retirement ensure you have a diverse income stream, including pension plans, government benefits, investment portfolios, annuities, and rental income. This diversified approach helps mitigate risk and ensures a stable income throughout retirement.

Mental Transition: Transitioning from saving to withdrawing money in retirement can be challenging. It requires a mental shift to start using accumulated savings as a source of income. Regan and Joe acknowledge the psychological hurdles many retirees face in making this transition.

Optimized Withdrawal Strategies: They discuss strategies for withdrawing money from retirement accounts, such as maximizing CPP and OAS benefits by delaying withdrawals, considering the tax implications of different withdrawal methods, and being intentional about when to tap into various income sources.

Flexibility and Adaptability: Regan and Joe advocate for flexibility in retirement planning, suggesting approaches like utilizing home equity or establishing a line of credit for emergencies.

Personalized Planning: Personalized retirement income planning is tailored to individual goals, expenses, risk tolerance, and net worth aspirations. There is no one-size-fits-all approach.

Ideas Worth Sharing

"It makes sense because the game kind of changes in retirement."

“You've been conditioned to save money, put money away, and it's been done for, you know, the majority of your adult life you've been doing that, saving up for the moment of retirement."

"There's a paradigm shift that needs to happen. And it's not just the fact that you've been saving and now you're going to turn this into a pay cheque. And this is harder for really good savers, too, right? So the better you've done saving, the harder it's going to be for you to start taking money out.”

"What we’re talking about is just the overall mental transition that you'll go through with retirement with respects to your income. Like you said, you've been conditioned to save money, put money away, and it's been done for, you know, the majority of your adult life you've been doing that, saving up for the moment of retirement. And then when that time comes and you now got to withdraw money out of your accounts, it can be overwhelming and it doesn't feel natural, per se to start drawing money out of your portfolios."

Resources in this episode

Joe Curry

Regan Schiller

Retirement Planning Simplified

Maximizing Retirement Income: Using the Right Buckets at the Right Time

Eager to discover the solutions to creating multiple income streams and maximizing retirement income?

This podcast is for retirees looking to transition from savings to withdrawals and maximize retirement income. Joe and Regan offer effective retirement income strategies, particularly about the impact of taking CPP at different ages and utilizing home equity in retirement planning.

In this episode, you will be able to:

  • Discover how to create multiple income streams in retirement for a worry-free financial future.

  • Learn how to smoothly transition from saving to withdrawing in retirement, ensuring a steady income without stress.

  • Uncover powerful strategies for maximizing your retirement income, so you can enjoy the lifestyle you deserve.

  • Understand the impact of taking CPP at different ages and how to make the most of your benefits for a secure retirement.

  • Explore innovative ways to utilize home equity in retirement planning, unlocking hidden potential for financial stability.


    Transitioning from the saving phase to the withdrawal phase in retirement involves more than just a shift in financial strategy; it requires a mental and emotional adjustment. Understanding that your financial focus is shifting from saving for the future to sustaining your lifestyle in the present can feel daunting. Seeking guidance and support from experts can help ease this transition. It’s necessary to acknowledge and embrace this mental shift.

The resources mentioned in this episode are:

  • Consider creating a retirement income plan based on your unique situation, including expenses, emergency funds, tax strategies, and net worth maintenance or growth.

  • Evaluate the optimal age to start receiving CPP and OAS benefits based on your individual circumstances, rather than making decisions based on general advice.

  • Explore the potential benefits of using tax-free savings accounts as a supplementary income stream in retirement, considering the tax advantages and flexibility it offers.

  • Assess the potential benefits and drawbacks of annuities as an income stream in retirement, considering factors such as longevity, flexibility, and impact on net worth.

  • Review the potential benefits of using home equity, such as through a home equity line of credit, as a tool for emergency funds or to create an income floor in retirement.

Timestamped summary of this episode:


00:00:00 - Introduction and Common Retirement Questions
Joseph and Regan discuss the common questions around retirement income, including how to draw a retirement paycheck and create income streams in retirement.

00:01:13 - Mental Transition in Retirement
They highlight the mental transition required when transitioning from saving to withdrawing money for retirement income. They emphasize the need for guidance and support during this phase.

00:04:09 - Considerations for Pension Plans
The discussion delves into different types of pension plans, including defined benefit and defined contribution plans. They also touch on government benefits and the coordination of various income sources in retirement.

00:07:10 - Exploring Annuities as a Retirement Income Stream
Joe and Regan talk about the potential of annuities as an income stream in retirement, weighing the benefits of guaranteed income against the loss of flexibility and potential inheritance.

00:11:31 - Leveraging Home Equity for Retirement Income
The conversation shifts to leveraging home equity as a source of retirement income, including downsizing, renting, and using home equity lines of credit as a financial tool for unexpected expenses or long-term care needs.

00:12:42 - Using Home Equity as a Retirement Tool
The discussion revolves around using home equity as a tool for retirement planning. The guests discuss the strategy of putting debt against home equity and maintaining equity to take care of debt and leave a lump sum for retirement.

00:13:02 - Intentional Use of Line of Credit and Tax-Free Savings Accounts
The conversation highlights the intentional use of a line of credit and tax-free savings accounts in retirement planning. They emphasize the importance of assessing individual ability to handle available credit and utilizing tax-free growth for emergency lump sum withdrawals.

00:13:54 - Emergency Tools for Income Planning
The guests discuss using the line of credit in a down market to wait for portfolio recovery and avoid withdrawing from investment accounts. They also mention using tax-free savings accounts for emergency lump sum withdrawals without incurring taxes.

00:15:08 - Importance of Planning for CPP and OAS
The conversation emphasizes being intentional about decisions related to CPP and OAS income streams. The guests stress the significance of considering individual situations and avoiding making decisions based on hearsay without evaluating their unique financial circumstances.

00:16:42 - Optimizing Retirement Income and Tax Efficiency
The hosts and guests discuss the importance of optimizing retirement income sources to meet financial goals and minimize tax liabilities. They encourage individuals to assess their cash flow needs, guaranteed income sources, and withdrawal strategies to achieve tax efficiency and long-term financial security.

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